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Francisco Perez's avatar

Thank you Mike for your comments and references. Just to clarify, we are not sociologists nor historians. Those social sciences give us an exquisite account of observed behavior but they do not establish a cause/effect relationship. They can provide us only correlational data - what may go together. We are behavior analysts - a natural science of behavior that can establish cause and effect relationships. It is a functional analytic science. As such we look at causes of behavior and establish a cause/effect relationship. So when we look at the historical record of behavior we can look at the factors (contingencies of reinforcement in place) that contribute to the change in behavior observed. Thank you for your reference of the Fourth Turning. Putnam takes a similar approach in his book The Upswing. He is a sociologist who demonstrated a correlation between the turns of I-We-I with changes in human behavior and concluded based on this observation, that was correlational, that human actions was the main driver of the turns he observed as well as others. Thanks again!

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Mike Goodenow Weber's avatar

So in their books Generations and The Fourth Turning, leading generational experts Neil Howe (who'll have a new book out in July) and William Strauss (who has since died) showed that Americans have gyrated between eras of strong individualism (the 1920s) and strong community (the 1950s) many times. The crisis periods and the post-crisis periods are the times we come together, so 1933 to 1963 was a time of strong unity and we've been getting more and more individualized since 1964. It's a very interesting paradigm that I've been aware of since 1990, when I was 24.

(I view you gentlemen as sociologists, not theologians or moral philosophers, so I'll wait and see what you come up with in your next two posts before I decide whether to respond to your metaphysical or anti-metaphysical views.)

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