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Francisco Perez's avatar

Thanks Mike for your comments. First of all Skinner did not raise her daughter in a "box." Read the Guardian article she wrote about her father and debunking all those fake news. She did not commit suicide. Read the Guardian article. His daughter Deborah Skinner Buzan wrote a very comprehensive approach to lies people have propagated about Skinner primarily about his scientific and deterministic well established discoveries as to what are the real variables that influence behavior. So your views of Skinner are based on fake news. Second, determinism of behavior does not contradict having a soul or being a believer. I am a Christian, Catholic and believe in God and try to do my best to be prosocial, but also believe that we should take delight in scientifically discovering the laws of nature since they represent God's creation. You need to become better informed about Skinner and the science of behavior. In our view, it is time that we look at the natural science of behavior as a scientific approach to shaping prosocial behavior. We are evolving culturally unguided towards a catastrophic end like Skinner predicted 50 years ago and David Sloan Wilson also predicts - the ugly negative consequences of an unguided cultural evolution. Appreciate your input but please get your information from reliable and credible sources. Best and warm embrace, Francisco Perez.

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I would say that from the perspective of the individual organism, we choose. If it is not escape or avoidance from aversive events, then that choice is “free” in the sense of not being coerced. So it is perfectly understandable, and actually has utility, that people encourage one another to choose, emphasize the “freedom” of choice, and so on.

But from the perspective of the whole system, in which the individual is — according to Skinner — a “locus of events” in which environmental history and genetic endowment come together to produce an effect (“Me”), behavior is lawful, and therefore determined, not in the mechanical stimulus-response way that the old time conditioning people modeled, but in the probabilistic way that Skinner’s use of rate of response measure made clear and Herrnstein’s work on choice quantified.

It seems clear that the free will/determinism “debate” need not be a debate at all. It is simply observation from different perspectives. Not unlike someone viewing the Cascade mountains from the peak of Mt. Rainier (which is generally higher) viewing the Cascades as “low” vs. someone viewing Mt. Rainier from a lower vantage point and describing it as “high.”

That’s my two cents.

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