Hi Mike, been tied up. Thanks for your great comments. You raise one of the most common responses to the use of behavior analysis. I believe Hank replied to you directly. Let me know if you got it. I know they are going to re-post it on the thread. If you are inclined, you might want to read Skinner's original Selection by Consequences article in Science. You can get it through Google Scholar. I would love to talk to you about this and your take on it since it will help us address, as we plan in the future, this common hurdle as to what actually governs and shapes my behavior. Let me know and we can then arrange to talk. As always, thank you for your comments and I am looking forward to further encounters with Rank, Armstrong and the like. Francisco.
Mike, we did not take it as a negative judgement, We are very appreciative of tour comment about engineering behavior as well as your comments about controling rather than been rooted in discovery of prosocial behaviors and voluntary adaptation. Those are great comments and feedback that helps us shape our message and we thank you for them. Keep sending your honest comments. They will continue to be greatly appreciated! Francisco
I didn't mean to offer a negative judgment and I suppose my reply came across more negative than I intended. My focus as I continue to encounter your work will be on personal prosocial behavior, but that's what my personal interest in the thinking and work the three of you are doing. And I will continue to be keenly interested. Even where I agree with you on policy, I'm just not inclined to become politically active about it, that's all. I'm sure other people will be more interested in the policy implications, and you're doing great thinking, great work on that, the three of you. I continue to be highly favorable to your approach.
Here in New Mexico, two months ago we voted, 70% of us, to make early childhood education a right guaranteed in our state constitution. We are the first state in the nation to make it a universal right.
So you'll be advocating for a wide-ranging public policy agenda?
I'm more interested in personal behavior, I suppose, rather than trying to change systems. While I might agree with you on more policy questions than I disagree with you on -- I'm a centrist -- I think conservatives and libertarians can engage in prosocial behavior just as much as liberals.
I'm also uncomfortable with the word "engineer". I've never heard anyone talk about engineering behavior and engineering culture before. Sounds a little mechanistic and controlling. rather than being rooted in discovery of prosocial behaviors and voluntary adaption and engagement in prosocial behaviors.
However, I love your focus on parenting, early childhood education, and civic education. Again, the personal roles we can play in our community -- parenting, helping and mentoring children and youth, promoting civic awareness and commitment every chance we get -- these things interest me more than making public policy changes.
Hank had an excellent response but he was unable to log into his account, so I am posting it below:
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Greetings, Mike,
Thanks for your very thoughtful comment. on our latest post. You are among many who cringe in the presence of the term 'behavioral engineer' without realizing that the fruits of behavioral engineering are everywhere around us. The orderly flow of traffic is a good example as are the nearly countless "behavioral prosthetics" like eyeglasses, hearing aids, crutches, etc. We are preparing a post on this topic for release soon.
More troubling to many is the implication that their behavior is somehow being, or will be, controlled without their permission. One of our aims in this series is to make readers aware of the variables that actually cause their behavior. From this knowledge, it is possible to rearrange aspects of the environment in a way that benefits the participants in the culture.
The philosophical implications of all this are to be discussed later. For now, let us agree that as our perception of of our place in the universe that has evolved from the discoveries of Galileo, Darwin, and Einstein has not been all that bad. The next big step is at hand - understanding the actual causes of behavior.
Thank you, Faris. Hello, Hank. I very much appreciate your excellent clarification. I much better understand the intended meaning by you and Faris and Francisco.
Hi Mike, been tied up. Thanks for your great comments. You raise one of the most common responses to the use of behavior analysis. I believe Hank replied to you directly. Let me know if you got it. I know they are going to re-post it on the thread. If you are inclined, you might want to read Skinner's original Selection by Consequences article in Science. You can get it through Google Scholar. I would love to talk to you about this and your take on it since it will help us address, as we plan in the future, this common hurdle as to what actually governs and shapes my behavior. Let me know and we can then arrange to talk. As always, thank you for your comments and I am looking forward to further encounters with Rank, Armstrong and the like. Francisco.
Mike, we did not take it as a negative judgement, We are very appreciative of tour comment about engineering behavior as well as your comments about controling rather than been rooted in discovery of prosocial behaviors and voluntary adaptation. Those are great comments and feedback that helps us shape our message and we thank you for them. Keep sending your honest comments. They will continue to be greatly appreciated! Francisco
I didn't mean to offer a negative judgment and I suppose my reply came across more negative than I intended. My focus as I continue to encounter your work will be on personal prosocial behavior, but that's what my personal interest in the thinking and work the three of you are doing. And I will continue to be keenly interested. Even where I agree with you on policy, I'm just not inclined to become politically active about it, that's all. I'm sure other people will be more interested in the policy implications, and you're doing great thinking, great work on that, the three of you. I continue to be highly favorable to your approach.
Here in New Mexico, two months ago we voted, 70% of us, to make early childhood education a right guaranteed in our state constitution. We are the first state in the nation to make it a universal right.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2022/10/18/23404090/new-mexico-election-result-child-care-early-childhood-prek
Mike, I was not aware of that. It is very progressive. You are in a good place. Thanks again! Francisco
I believe Hank's response is the one posted by Faris?
Yes that is correct!
So you'll be advocating for a wide-ranging public policy agenda?
I'm more interested in personal behavior, I suppose, rather than trying to change systems. While I might agree with you on more policy questions than I disagree with you on -- I'm a centrist -- I think conservatives and libertarians can engage in prosocial behavior just as much as liberals.
I'm also uncomfortable with the word "engineer". I've never heard anyone talk about engineering behavior and engineering culture before. Sounds a little mechanistic and controlling. rather than being rooted in discovery of prosocial behaviors and voluntary adaption and engagement in prosocial behaviors.
However, I love your focus on parenting, early childhood education, and civic education. Again, the personal roles we can play in our community -- parenting, helping and mentoring children and youth, promoting civic awareness and commitment every chance we get -- these things interest me more than making public policy changes.
Look forward to reading your responses.
Hello Mike,
Hank had an excellent response but he was unable to log into his account, so I am posting it below:
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Greetings, Mike,
Thanks for your very thoughtful comment. on our latest post. You are among many who cringe in the presence of the term 'behavioral engineer' without realizing that the fruits of behavioral engineering are everywhere around us. The orderly flow of traffic is a good example as are the nearly countless "behavioral prosthetics" like eyeglasses, hearing aids, crutches, etc. We are preparing a post on this topic for release soon.
More troubling to many is the implication that their behavior is somehow being, or will be, controlled without their permission. One of our aims in this series is to make readers aware of the variables that actually cause their behavior. From this knowledge, it is possible to rearrange aspects of the environment in a way that benefits the participants in the culture.
The philosophical implications of all this are to be discussed later. For now, let us agree that as our perception of of our place in the universe that has evolved from the discoveries of Galileo, Darwin, and Einstein has not been all that bad. The next big step is at hand - understanding the actual causes of behavior.
Hank
Thank you, Faris. Hello, Hank. I very much appreciate your excellent clarification. I much better understand the intended meaning by you and Faris and Francisco.